This is the video I commented on, on Youtube.  Logic is as frightening to Christians as a crucifix is to Dracula...and I was banned from that channel.  Lol.  The argument however, survives.  See below.

A Response and Argument Against Dr. William Lane Craig's Argument that the Christian god is Morally Perfect and Worthy of the Attitude of Worship

Recently I was on Youtube, listening to one of Dr. Craig's Videos, which prompted me to construct this logical argument against what was said.  He said that a morally perfect god is one worthy of worship, and the ancient gods of the Greeks and other peoples were morally flawed, and therefore not worthy of worship.  

He is very wrong about the Christian god, as the Christian god Yahweh has almost identical attributes to the gods of the Greeks and Romans. 

"...for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land"  Deuteronomy 6:15

Being angry and jealous and threatening to destroy people is not virtuous.

P1 If Yahweh (the christian God) is worthy of the attitude of worship, then Yahweh would meet the conditions of the greatest conceivable being. (Craig set those conditions, and being morally perfect is one of those conditions.)

P2 If Yahweh is the greatest conceivable being, then Yahweh would have to be morally perfect.

P3 If Yahweh is morally perfect, then he would be perfectly virtuous.

P4 If Yahweh is perfectly virtuous, then he would have no vices.

P5 Yahweh has vices. (angry, jealous, vengeful, narcissistic, murderous, sadistic)

P6 Yahweh does not not have vices. (By the rule of double negation)

P7 Yahweh is not perfectly virtuous.

P8 Yahweh is not morally perfect.

P9 Yahweh is not the greatest conceivable being.

C. Yahweh is not worthy of the attitude of worship.

So Yahweh is not worthy of the attitude of worship, for the same reason, as Craig points out, that all the other little 'g' gods are not worthy of worship.

Christians such as Dr. Craig need to construct better arguments than merely asserting the Christian god is "the greatest conceivable being" as there is too much "evidence" in the bible which shows that the Christian god Yahweh is nothing short of a narcissisitic, sadistic, masochistic, angry, jealous, vengeful god.--and NOT worthy of worship. 

I got a resonse to my argument from the guy who owned the channel, and then he immediately blocked me. He said:


"P5 just begged the question, genius. Honestly, throw the Dan Barker stuff in the trash."

Here is the reply I would have posted, if he had let me, but since he didn't, my husband posted it instead:


P5 does not beg the question-It is supported by biblical passages such as the one below:

"..for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land." Deuteronomy 6:15

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”Hosea 13:16 (MURDER OF UNBORN)

After this, my husband was blocked.  These types of Christians obviously are unwilling to argue for their beliefs, but maintain them by blocking out anything that contradicts them.  It matters not, it is easy to create new accounts and keep posting, which is what I did below:

According to Craig, for any being to be worthy for the attitude of worship they must meet the criteria of the greatest conceivable being, and one of those conditions is being morally perfect.  According to the bible,Yahweh was angry and jealous, which are vices, and if vices do not count against Yahweh, then they do not count against any other being. Therefore, Zeus, or any other of the Gods would be worthy of the attitude of worship too. Yahweh must meet the same conditions, and he does not.  Therefore, Yahweh is not worthy of the attitude of worship.

You cannot waive the conditions for Yahweh that Craig set out for being worthy of the attitude of worship, ie. for being a god.  Otherwise, you are begging the question for Yahweh being a God in the first place.  Yahweh must meet the same standards that Craig set out for being worthy of the attitude of worship. So either Craig is wrong, or the bible is wrong about Yahweh being jealous and angry and therefore having vices.  Just because you prefer Yahweh does not count. 

Why the organization "Fixed Point" is not very convincing..

 I'm diverting a bit with this post, but I want to comment on a commercial I saw this weekend during the Superbowl.

The Christian organization called "Fixed Point" is a fundamentalist Christian organization which spreads the word so to speak via the internet, publicized debates, and now commercials during Superbowl. They have organized debates with such notable atheists as Christopher Hitchens, and just recently, broadcast a commercial during Sunday's Superbowl based on the passages from John 3:16, at  the end of which, they suggest you to "look up" lookupjohn316.com--which I did. This is what they say on their website:

"Well, it’s clear there really isn’t much any of us can do....we certainly don’t have the ability in ourselves to overcome this powerful law of human nature. "

Which got me to thinking, so I constructed a logical argument based on the claims they made on their website:

P1. If god created us, as Christians claim, then god gave us "human nature."
P2. If god gave us human nature, then god is to blame for the problem of evil.
C. Therefore, god is to blame for the evil in the world.
 

Almost all such claims made by Christians are done to make the gullible more susceptible to their dogma, but with a little logic and some reflective thought, they are all easily refuted.  In this example, we see by their own admission the christian god, if he existed, is to blame for the problem of evil. He is to blame for humans disobedient due to their "human nature" that he himself created. After setting the scenario up, he then chooses who he gives grace to because he also determines who believes and who does not believe, as he determines EVERYTHING, according to the bible, and most Christians.

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord." (Proverbs 16:33)

"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." Romans 11:32.

If the bible and the christian conception of Yahweh is correct, then he is to blame for the problems who he then sets his son to be the sacrificial lamb for.....which makes him a sadistic monster of epic proportions. Torturing his own son for something he did in the first place is not beautiful--it is monstrous. It would be terrible for a human father to do, but for an all knowing all powerful "father" to set that up---it is absolutely ridiculous!!